Comments on TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL: Sabayon, the Gentle Gentoo

I stumbled upon this blog post about SL (Sabayon L...

2009-02-01T22:29:00.000+08:00

I stumbled upon this blog post about SL (Sabayon Linux) today, 1st Feb 2009. The current full version of SL is 4.0-r1 (x86 and x86_64 editions available) and it is much more mature than the 3.3b Mini Edition reviewed. There are two package managers: Gentoo's Portage (source packages which are compiled on your PC) and the home-grown Entropy (binary packages which are pre-compiled for you). Entropy, its command line tool Equo and the GUI tool Spritz, have progressed in leaps and bounds over the last releases and Entropy is now an excellent binary package manager. This makes SL a much more user-friendly distribution than it used to be for the less-experienced Linux user. Packages managed using Equo and/or Spritz are much less likely to cause problems than packages installed using Portage, and this has made SL very stable for beginners. You can still use Portage if you want but I would only recommend that for experienced users. SL is now a mature member of the Linux distro community and I enjoy using it very much. Visually, its also gorgeous (perhaps due to the developer being Italian?).

I'm Alberto, from BrasilI use Sabayon! i consider ...

2008-06-21T03:26:00.000+08:00

I'm Alberto, from Brasil
I use Sabayon! i consider it the best distro, i also use arch, mandriva, tutoo ( a brazilian Gentoo) and Gentoo itself, but i enjoy so much Sabayon....
thei updatingm however, im much more difficult than gentoo, because the number of packages that is installed ih much higher.. Gentoo, you only install taht you use, butsabayon not. gentoo users said that sabayob uses binaries in the live cd,bu it is no so tru. all emerge packages is compiled.. Sabayon is a Gentoo, not Gentoo like!, but it is difficult to use! resuming, it is not for newbies,but is a great distro!
I reccomend to Sabayon users, do not run emerge --sync,or emerge world, or you my obtain many broken, blocked or masked packages. Emerge only that you use! even emerging open office, destroyed libraries!
But, if you enjoy gentoos, sabayon is the best!!!

I've changed from windows to sabayon 3.4. It was t...

2008-04-22T17:45:00.000+08:00

I've changed from windows to sabayon 3.4. It was the first linux that reconized every piece of hardware. With a lot of searching i can now manage my own linux pc!

I've assisted in Sabayon support on it's irc chann...

2008-02-08T05:06:00.000+08:00

I've assisted in Sabayon support on it's irc channel in freenode (#sabayon) for quite some time now, and I have to say it's the easiest way to get a working gentoo installation without much of a fuss. It excels on it's hardware detection, though not perfect, still does a great job detecting and configuring most hardware combinations. The reason why it's difficult to update is due to the fact that sabayon is built on ~arch ("unstable" packages as gentoo devs refereed to them). But for a normal user, it's bleeding edge as it is, would take a long while before all it's packages are outdated. Best to give one's self the time to learn the distro first, and updating will come naturally. We attract a lot of new users, since it's one of the few live distros that comes preconfigured with a compositing manager (all that 3d goodness with previous Beryl to the new Compiz-Fusion). Although it makes it effortless (almost) to get up and running, keep in mind that it is still Gentoo, with a steep learning curve. Install it, use it, learn from it. Feel free to join us in irc! :)

I have been using linux on and off for over 10 yea...

2008-01-16T20:51:00.000+08:00

I have been using linux on and off for over 10 years. The last 6 months I cracked it with windows and started to look again at linux as my main system. I tried suse 10.3 which was pretty good but caused me quite a few problems, so I ditched it and went to pclinuxos. This is a great distro for newbies and gives a familier windowz feel, but no good for me as I had problems logging out then trying to log back in with another account and only a reboot would fix anything. I also had to re install every month as I couldnt log on at all even root.I took a look at Sabayon due to th art angle it has and so far I am quite impressed although the package system can be improved upon, now add a package manager like pclinux or suse and I belive that sabayon is a work beater. I am also really impress with the virtual box finding all my hardware and a smooth installation of windows along with cd support and sound as well as usb. now if only i could find a really decent account program for my buiness that also handles gst windowz would be a gonna.

I am trying it right now. Good distro, not great ...

2008-01-05T06:37:00.000+08:00

I am trying it right now. Good distro, not great for newbies (which I am but am willing to trudge through what's necessary and learn).

As for updating via the next DVD remember this. It might seem like an extreme comment but in the last year they released 6 stable releases (not including mini or business/professional editions or counting 32 and 64 as different). If they keep up that pace it means that every 3 months at most you should have a new distro (and to be fair there's no real need to update every single month.

Since Sabayon don't separate different arches for ...

2007-12-16T12:10:00.000+08:00

Since Sabayon don't separate different arches for different machines, it was just too slow. 3.4F was compile under i586, not i686. That makes it runs as slow as turtle.

In other side, Sabayon is a good boot CD for install Gentoo with an internet connection. I have trouble to drive my new Intel 4965agn wireless card under Gentoo Live[CD|DVD] 2007.0. At last, I use Sabayon LiveDVD to install it successfully. It also support ext4, that's good.

Great review of a great distribution! Sabayon real...

2007-11-29T23:00:00.000+08:00

Great review of a great distribution! Sabayon really is a linux gamers dream, and I have found that using fluxbox with KDE installed behind it gives me my perfect desktop!

However, I think it is fair to say that the updating of this distribution is pretty poor and to say that most users recommend simply waiting for the next release to update something is a bit shocking!

You are doing the linux community a service with a review like this, its about time someone wrote something interesting!

please keep the useless rhetoric out of your revie...

2007-11-02T14:58:00.000+08:00

please keep the useless rhetoric out of your reviews.

Gentoo is hardly the "fastest" linux (one of the top I'm sure, but that crown belongs to others), and most certainly will not match the stability of a slackware or debian etch.

@chillyI know it compiles everything from source. ...

2007-09-24T08:13:00.000+08:00

@chilly
I know it compiles everything from source. I was talking about the slow update speed of the repositories. It takes too long to update the list of software from the repos.

I'm surprised about emerge. Never tried gentoo, bu...

2007-09-24T03:31:00.000+08:00

I'm surprised about emerge. Never tried gentoo, but I always thought that was its big claim to fame. Or is Sabayon's version just not as good as gentoo's?

You are building from source...emerge will always ...

2007-09-22T23:33:00.000+08:00

You are building from source...emerge will always be slower than using .deb or rpm's. I've ran sabayon for a while now, I get more oooh's and aahhh's from it more than any other distro. Great review.

I've tried Sabayon once; it's a cool distro, altho...

2007-09-22T20:18:00.000+08:00

I've tried Sabayon once; it's a cool distro, although it comes with KDE. The speed is one of it's stronger points, but emerge is slow as hell.

Same here, as much as i love everything else in Sa...

2007-09-21T20:47:00.000+08:00

Same here, as much as i love everything else in Sabayon, updating it has been a real pain...
The 3 times i tried to update everything all i got left was a hosed system after 2-3 days of compiling, reading stuff, trying various fixes, finally running the last etc-update, hoping it would be ok, only to see the system was broken at the next reboot.
I heard the latest release is better in that regard but haven't had the time to try it once again.

nice review, even tho i never tried sabayon. i'm m...

2007-09-21T18:21:00.000+08:00

nice review, even tho i never tried sabayon. i'm more than happy with mint 3.1 celena, and if it ain't broke.....

techsyn,Yes I did try rev-rebuild, and it scrolled...

2007-09-21T02:33:00.000+08:00

techsyn,

Yes I did try rev-rebuild, and it scrolled through a few hundred packages, and although I can't remember the error message at the moment, I know that it ended in error. I think the discouraging thing, is when users tell you to wait for the next dvd release and use that method to upgrade. My experience may be different from other users, however. I still think this distro shows a lot of promise.

I haven't tried Sabayon yet, but I am planning on ...

2007-09-20T22:37:00.000+08:00

I haven't tried Sabayon yet, but I am planning on doing so in the near future. As to what Whit said about broken packages, I was wondering if he tried using rev-rebuild after updating? I know on Gentoo it tells you to run this after updating some packages to make sure all links are working.

A killer review. Linux needs a kind of exciting ar...

2007-09-20T21:40:00.000+08:00

A killer review. Linux needs a kind of exciting article like this one. Thank you.

I agree with you Whitt. Sabayon took it to the nex...

2007-09-20T16:15:00.000+08:00

I agree with you Whitt. Sabayon took it to the next level with this version. In order to become even more popular, they must strive to improve their software management. But I know that they are on the right track so I'll be keeping my eye on Sabayon also.

I had previously been running Sabayon for about th...

2007-09-19T22:33:00.000+08:00

I had previously been running Sabayon for about the last 6 weeks. There is a lot to love about this distro, and much to hate for the inexperienced user. The Distro once installed is a Linux Gamer's Dream come true. I think that is where it really shines. Where it falls short is in the updating department. Most of the users I've encounted recommend you wait for the next DVD release, and update your system that way. There is a world update tutorial on their wiki, but it did not work for me, and left my system with hundreds of broken packages. I'm not saying that will be everyone's experience, but it was mine. Luckily I'm experience enough with Gentoo, to work through fixing it, but for a newbie, it would be a complete nightmare. I will be keeping a watch on this distro however, because I think they've got tremendous potential, and if they keep going in the direction they are headed, they'll be a distro to be reckoned with, maybe within a year. I tried Sabayon way back when it was called RR4. Sabayon is light years ahead of where it was just a couple of years ago.

thank you mika

2007-09-19T18:11:00.000+08:00

thank you mika

Excellent review. Sabayon and all other Gentoo fla...

2007-09-19T15:01:00.000+08:00

Excellent review. Sabayon and all other Gentoo flavors are indeed too hot to handle especially to the inexperienced users.